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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jul 8, 2010 1:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: TDIH - 1978 Red Rocks

okay, somebody has to do it...

This not only is one of the best (if not the best) shows from 1978, but the sbd source sound is excellent.

1978 has been fairly documented, the setlists are repetitive, but the best shows from this year carried over the high energy rock approach from 1977. One could say that '78 was the "year of excess", the drugs, the vocals, the approach and the playing went over the top...Garcia, in particular, took many songs to a scrub out fanfare endings...his vocals were somewhat affected, but his singing was very strong when he wasn't hoarse from laryngitis...

Getting back to this show. The setlist is more varied than what was typical for 1978...several versions of tunes can be said to be a top 3 or 5 version (Ramble on Rose, Estimated Prophet, Franklin's Tower, Sugar Magnolia, Werewolves of London)...the playing is as good as it gets for this year...3 encores! highly recommended...love this one...this is also one of the best shows that you could play for a Dead newbie...best Red Rocks show they done ever did as well...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1978-07-08.sbd.miller.106070.flac16

Set 1 Bertha-> Good Lovin', Dire Wolf, El Paso, It Must Have Been The Roses, Minglewood Blues, Ramble On Rose, Promised Land, Deal

Set 2 Samson & Delilah, Ship of Fools, Estimated Prophet-> The Other One-> Eyes Of The World-> Drums-> Wharf Rat-> Franklin's Tower-> Sugar Magnolia,

E1: Terrapin Station
E2: One More Saturday Night
E3: Werewolves of London

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 8, 2010 8:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - 1978 Red Rocks

Not a fav. year , for me , but put this one down in the must listen category . I begin @ Estimated and go . I forgot Strat. about TDIH '78 . Will listen post kid bedtime . My fav. Franklin's .
Strat. - musically speaking ( to a non musician ) are there some similarities in the musical structure of WRat and DStar ?

edit - Thanks guys .

This post was modified by micah6vs8 on 2010-07-09 03:12:27

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jul 8, 2010 7:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - 1978 Red Rocks

midnightcarousel is accurate that the basic structures of the two songs share similarities...wharf relies on that Em and the A suspended chord, dark star is more of a comp fest with the major 'g' and 'a' chords leading the way, there's an Em chord in there for the 'shall we go' part...from then it typically breaks down...to elaborate further would get into the specific riffs and other sections of the tunes and whatnot...

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Jul 9, 2010 1:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - 1978 Red Rocks

I was under the impression that Dark Star went A A G D with the D being more like a hint on the way back to the A, the sounding key. As the GD often do, the major/minor tonality of the song is played with to give added tension/release. This minor tonality plays right into the Wharf Rat similarity.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Jul 9, 2010 1:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - 1978 Red Rocks

I was under the impression that Dark Star went A A G D with the D being more like a hint on the way back to the A.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Jul 8, 2010 6:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - 1978 Red Rocks

i'll give an answer to that one - it's a resounding YES. both songs are in the same key signature and even the same mode, A mixolydian! They are rhythmic cousins as well, but straightforward 4/4 pieces with distinctive (and similar) rhythmic motifs.

The dark star "theme" plays with A major and G major chords, while the wharf rat "theme" plays with A major and E minor chords. G major and E minor are almost the exact same chord except for one note:

G: G - B - D
E: E - G - B

there you go. i wonder if stratocaster has any elaboration to contribute?

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Poster: ducats Date: Jul 8, 2010 3:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - 1978 Red Rocks

agreed - except for you or I could've got more of Bertha right

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Jul 8, 2010 3:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - 1978 Red Rocks

Been streaming this throughout the day and I found 2nd set pre-drums to be very good. Ship of Fools was excellent with a flawlessly ripping solo. I'm only up to Estimated > OO but that is a hell of a sequence with creative jams, JG leading the way in top form.

If I recall correctly, this is quite a nice Terrapin as well.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jul 9, 2010 12:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - 1978 Red Rocks

here's what i want to know - who's saying shh during wharf rat? i always thought it was Jerry to Donna but i always thought it was Donna meowing in LLR in Egypt and later found that isn't true

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jul 9, 2010 5:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - 1978 Red Rocks

A great show by '78 standards; I'd put it up there close to 4/16, 11/24, etc, although the post drums segment is rushed and sloppy.

I agree with your overall assessment of this year as one of excess- at many shows, virtually every song is played as a set-closer, throttled for every ounce of drama until all nuance is gone.

This post was modified by skuzzlebutt on 2010-07-09 12:28:50

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 8, 2010 8:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - 1978 Red Rocks

That 2nd sentence nails it . That is one main reason I do not like post '76 w/ the Godchaux's .